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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:53 pm 
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1939 – BATHER James of 11 Cleaver street, Burnley, died 10 October 1939. Probate London 2 November to Alice Sutcliffe, widow and Harry Proctor, co-operative society clerk. Effects £313 11s. 5d.

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He certainly is, Leaver. My g.g.uncle James, God bless him.
Many thanks indeed.
I saw his grave during my recent visit.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:51 am 
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Thanks Soreofhing, do you know how Alice Sutcliffe fits into the Bather family?


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No I don't Leaver.
I'll have to investigate that connection.
I recall seeing lots of Sutcliffes in the Briercliffe cemeteries.
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I have lots of Sutcliffes!
I'm also going to take a look at this....compare notes later Rob?

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I have found this marriage reference

Mar 1908
BATHER Alice Burnley 8e 469
SUTCLIFFE Walter Burnley 8e 469

I can't see a suitable Walter Sutcliffe in my file unfortunately.

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Kris added this will some time ago

1917 - SUTCLIFFE Walter of 21 Townley Street, Briercliffe, near Burnley, died 17 June 1916. Administration London, 20 March to Alice Sutcliffe, widow. Effects £155

Not definitely but possibly the same couple? I found this death reference for a Walter Sutcliffe
Jun 1916
Sutcliffe Walter 31 Burnley 8e 266

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I've just had a look at the Burnley burials that are on the site at http://briercliffesociety.co.uk/talkback/viewtopic.php?t=45&start=0
and there isnt a Walter in 1916. I guess this means he must be in one of the churchyards...St James or Haggate being the likeliest?

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DAVID B wrote:
I always play the helpless male when I go in,they scurry around and I just sit back and watch them in amazement :lol:
It is a pity that some of the older papers do not copy very well,particularly the photos.
I think next time I go I will see if they will photograph with my camera any better, at least then I can enlarge them to try and read them easier perhaps.


David, when you are next in Burnley, are you able to play your helpless male routine please and see if the library ladies will help you find a burial for Walter Sutcliffe sometime after 17 June 1916 please. We know it is not in Burnley. My guess would be St James and Haggate to begin with. If you can obtain a copy of the burial, that would be great but not a problem if you can't.

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yep will do :)

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Thank you. You are good to me.

I have to say, this man does so much running round for me. I think on the next census he should list his occupation as Mels errand boy!

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:54 pm 
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But what would he put down as his address? Poor man seems to be permanently in transit.

Speaking of which I was a census enumerator in 1981. Just before census night the fair arrived and I had to get forms off them. The address for some of them was the registration number of the wagon they slept in at night.


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I bet that was interesting though. Were you into family tree then?

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Yes Mel, of course!
Alice Bather married Walter Sutcliffe. I knew I'd seen that name before (I file each female under her maiden name, that's why I couldn't easily find Alice Sutcliffe).
Alice's half sister Mary Elizabeth Bather was born just down the road at 2 Townley Street in 1901.
It all fits together nicely.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 6:16 pm 
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I wasn't interested in family history then - I had 2 babies under 3 years old and no spare time.
But yes, it was interesting, especially when I found two young men trying to hide from me because they didn't want to be listed. I had to chase them round the waltzers to catch them. One day some family historian somewhere may have cause to br truly grateful to me for going to all that trouble!


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