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Interesting that his address was Hollin Grove, Morecambe. When if he is who you think Maureen, he used to live at Hollin Grove, Briercliffe-----it has to be him, hasn't it????? This Kippax relly of mine seemed to put it about a bit :wink:

Whilst I was looking for Ferdi I came across this census:
1881

Sarah KIPPAX, Head W, 60 House Keeper, born York
John ALDERSLEY, Nephew U 34, Carter born Trawden, Lancashire
Daniel LEAVER Nephew U, 32, Stone Quarryman, b Briercliffe
Ellen GREENWOOD Daur W 34, Cotton Weaver, b Briercliffe
Mary GREENWOOD Grand Daur, 13, Scholar, b Briercliffe
Anne GREENWOOD Grand Daur, 12,Scholar, b Briercliffe
Sarah Ellen GREENWOOD Grand Daur, 11, Scholar, b Briercliffe
Elizabeth GREENWOOD Grand Daur, 5 Scholar, b Briercliffe

From earlier censuses, Sarah Kippax was the widow of John, born 1811 in Marsden
There is a marriage on Lancashire bmd 1840
LAYCOCK Sarah & KIPPAX John at Burnley, St Peter - records at Preston CE111/1/3

We have Daniel (as LEVER). He was the son of Benjamin Leaver and Mary Laycock. It seems quite likely then that the Sarah Kippax in the census was Mary Laycock's sister.

I've looked for this many times without success. I've even tried going through the Briercliffe census a page at a time. Funny thing is Ferdi was born Sept 1880 in Briercliffe so you'd expect them to be therabouts.
I've felt sure for a long time that the father, Willie, was the same Willie who was the illegitimate son of Betty Leaver (the one who married a Kippax). Apart from dates of birth and the fact that one disappears from the censuses in 1871 and the other appears in 1891 I've never felt confident enough to merge them om the tree.
Is that what you're trying to prove Kris?

Author:	Leaver [ Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:53 pm ]
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I don’t think these relate to my Leaver’s but….I thought I was on to something so no point in deleting the info. 1871 Census - RG10; Piece: 4188; Folio: 34; Page: 7 13 Astley street, Over Darwen Mark Leaver, Head, Mar, Head, Mar, 31yrs, Cotton Weaver, b. Lancs, Darwen Martha Leaver, Wife, 20?yrs, Cotton Winder, b. Darwen John W. Leaver, Son, 2 months, b. Darwen 1881 Census - RG11; Piece: 4204; Folio: 15; Page: 23 7 Old Lane, Over Darwen Mark Leaver, Head, Mar, 31yrs, Stoker and Engine tenter, b. Darwen Martha Leaver, Wife, 30yrs, Cotton Winder, b. Darwen Sarah E. Leaver, Daughter, 7yrs, Scholar, b. Darwen

Author:	Leaver [ Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:55 pm ]
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Can anyone find this family in the 1881 Census? 1901 Census - RG13; Piece: 3868; Folio: 65; Page: 41 17 Church Street, Briercliffe Willie Leaver, Head, Mar, 45yrs, Cotton Weaver, b. Briercliffe Nanny Leaver, Wife, Mar, 45yrs, b. Briercliffe Ferdi Leaver, Son, 20yrs, Cotton Weaver, b. Burnley Mary Leaver, Daughter, 14yrs, Cotton Weaver, b. Briercliffe Percy Leaver, Son, 10yrs, b. Briercliffe 1891 Census - RG12; Piece: 3371; Folio 155; Page 29 Burnley Road, 95, Briercliffe Willie LEAVER, Head, 34 years, Cotton Weaver, b. Briercliffe Nanny LEAVER, Wife, 34 years, b. Briercliffe Edith Ann LEAVER, Daughter, 13 years, Cotton Weaver, b. Briercliffe Ferdi LEAVER, Son, 10 years, Cotton Weaver, b. Briercliffe Mary LEAVER, Daughter, 4 years, b. Briercliffe Percy LEAVER, Son, 11 months, b. Briercliffe 1930 LEAVER William of Hollin Grove Seaborne Road, Bare Morcambe Lancashire, died 16 August 1929 at the County Mental Hospital Lancaster. Probate London 28 January to Ferdi Leaver, overlooker and Percy Leaver, yarn agent. Effects £1,132 3s. 7d.

Author:	Gloria [ Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:54 pm ]
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Sorry Kris, looked high and low with allsorts of spellings----can't see them.

Author:	portia [ Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:01 pm ]
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I've looked for this many times without success. I've even tried going through the Briercliffe census a page at a time. Funny thing is Ferdi was born Sept 1880 in Briercliffe so you'd expect them to be therabouts. I've felt sure for a long time that the father, Willie, was the same Willie who was the illegitimate son of Betty Leaver (the one who married a Kippax). Apart from dates of birth and the fact that one disappears from the censuses in 1871 and the other appears in 1891 I've never felt confident enough to merge them om the tree. Is that what you're trying to prove Kris?

Author:	Gloria [ Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:12 pm ]
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Interesting that his address was Hollin Grove, Morecambe. When if he is who you think Maureen, he used to live at Hollin Grove, Briercliffe-----it has to be him, hasn't it????? This Kippax relly of mine seemed to put it about a bit

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Author:	portia [ Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:16 pm ]
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Whilst I was looking for Ferdi I came across this census: 1881 Sarah KIPPAX, Head W, 60 House Keeper, born York John ALDERSLEY, Nephew U 34, Carter born Trawden, Lancashire Daniel LEAVER Nephew U, 32, Stone Quarryman, b Briercliffe Ellen GREENWOOD Daur W 34, Cotton Weaver, b Briercliffe Mary GREENWOOD Grand Daur, 13, Scholar, b Briercliffe Anne GREENWOOD Grand Daur, 12,Scholar, b Briercliffe Sarah Ellen GREENWOOD Grand Daur, 11, Scholar, b Briercliffe Elizabeth GREENWOOD Grand Daur, 5 Scholar, b Briercliffe From earlier censuses, Sarah Kippax was the widow of John, born 1811 in Marsden There is a marriage on Lancashire bmd 1840 LAYCOCK Sarah & KIPPAX John at Burnley, St Peter - records at Preston CE111/1/3 We have Daniel (as LEVER). He was the son of Benjamin Leaver and Mary Laycock. It seems quite likely then that the Sarah Kippax in the census was Mary Laycock's sister.

Author:	portia [ Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:18 pm ]
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Gloria wrote: Interesting that his address was Hollin Grove, Morecambe. When if he is who you think Maureen, he used to live at Hollin Grove, Briercliffe-----it has to be him, hasn't it????? This Kippax relly of mine seemed to put it about a bit Never spotted that before Gloria. That's why you're a genealogist and I just bake cakes!

Author:	Gloria [ Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:26 pm ]
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VERY good cakes though.

Author:	Leaver [ Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:35 pm ]
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portia wrote: Whilst I was looking for Ferdi I came across this census: 1881 Sarah KIPPAX, Head W, 60 House Keeper, born York John ALDERSLEY, Nephew U 34, Carter born Trawden, Lancashire Daniel LEAVER Nephew U, 32, Stone Quarryman, b Briercliffe Ellen GREENWOOD Daur W 34, Cotton Weaver, b Briercliffe Mary GREENWOOD Grand Daur, 13, Scholar, b Briercliffe Anne GREENWOOD Grand Daur, 12,Scholar, b Briercliffe Sarah Ellen GREENWOOD Grand Daur, 11, Scholar, b Briercliffe Elizabeth GREENWOOD Grand Daur, 5 Scholar, b Briercliffe From earlier censuses, Sarah Kippax was the widow of John, born 1811 in Marsden There is a marriage on Lancashire bmd 1840 LAYCOCK Sarah & KIPPAX John at Burnley, St Peter - records at Preston CE111/1/3 We have Daniel (as LEVER). He was the son of Benjamin Leaver and Mary Laycock. It seems quite likely then that the Sarah Kippax in the census was Mary Laycock's sister. Maureen, if this is the same Daniel his age is out by out by a mile. Daniel LEVER b. 29 October 1841 - Stephen Hey, Briercliffe and this one on the census was born 1849.

Author:	portia [ Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:36 pm ]
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oops!

Author:	Leaver [ Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:39 pm ]
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portia wrote: I've looked for this many times without success. I've even tried going through the Briercliffe census a page at a time. Funny thing is Ferdi was born Sept 1880 in Briercliffe so you'd expect them to be therabouts. I've felt sure for a long time that the father, Willie, was the same Willie who was the illegitimate son of Betty Leaver (the one who married a Kippax). Apart from dates of birth and the fact that one disappears from the censuses in 1871 and the other appears in 1891 I've never felt confident enough to merge them om the tree. Is that what you're trying to prove Kris? I am the same. I want more proof before I merge something like this. We know from his marriage cert that he was illegitimate but I cannot find him in the earlier census. Ferdi Leaver was born 5 September 1880 at 40 Heap Street, Burnley so where is he in 1881?

Author:	Leaver [ Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:46 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: LEAVER
Perhaps it’s a coincidence that both Daniel’s are working at a quarry, but I doubt it. 1891 Census – RG12; Piece: 3371; Folio 143; Page 5 Coalpit House, Briercliffe with Extwistle Thomas Leaver, Head, Mar, 73yrs, Ag Farm Labourer, b. Marsden Ellen Leaver Wife, Mar, 71yrs, b. Whalley Daniel Leaver, Boarder, Sing, 51yrs, Quarryman, b. Lancs, Briercliffe 1881 Census - RG11; Piece: 4155; Folio: 77; Page: 3 Fennimoor Foot?, Briercliffe Sarah Kippax, Head, Widow, 60yrs, House Keeper, b. Yorkshire John Aldersley, Nephew, Unm, 34yrs, Carter, b. Trawden Daniel Leaver, Nephew, Unm, 32yrs, Stone Quarry man, b. Briercliffe Ellen Greenwood, Daughter, Widow, 34yrs, Cotton Weaver, b. Briercliffe Mary Greenwood, Grand Daughter, 13yrs, Scholar, b. Briercliffe Ann Greenwood, Grand Daughter, 12yrs, Scholar, b. Briercliffe Sarah Ellen Greenwood, Grand Daughter, 11yrs, Scholar, b. Briercliffe Elizabeth Greenwood, Grand Daughter, 5yrs, Scholar, b. Briercliffe 1861 Census - RG9; Piece: 3073; Folio: 99; Page: 9 Stephen Hey, Briercliffe Thomas Laycock, Head, Mar, 78 years, Farmer, b. Briercliffe Hannah Laycock, Wife, Mar, 76 years, F W, b. Yorkshire, Wadsworth? Martha Laycock, Daughter, Unm, 37 years, Weaver Cotton, b. Briercliffe Ann Laycock, Daughter, Unm, 34 years, Hand loom weaver, b. Briercliffe John Laycock, Grandson, Unm, 24 years, Quarryman, b. Briercliffe Daniel Leaver, Grandson, Unm, 18 years, Quarryman, b. Briercliffe John Andersby, Grandson, 14 years, Servant, b. Briercliffe Alfred Laycock, Grandson, 3 years, b. Briercliffe

Author:	Gloria [ Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:24 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: LEAVER
Is this them? Living at Haggate. I cannot look at the transcription for some reason it keeps freezing. Name Age Alice Ann Leaver 19 Betty Leaver 52 Betty Leaver 12 Henry Leaver 30 John Leaver 26 Merinda Leaver 17 Nanny Leaver 23 William Leaver 28

Author:	portia [ Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:28 pm ]
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Nope - different Willie!

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Author:	Gloria [ Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:30 pm ]
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Right, thought you couldn't have missed that one so easily.