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| Author: | Gloria [ Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:59 pm ] |
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In the church records it has Betty Leaver as a spinster, daughter of William Leaver, so it would appear she had three children out of wedlock, and didn't get married until the age of 30yrs. Both the last statements seem very unusual. I have never looked into this woman before, as she isn't really related to me, only as the 2nd wife of my 3X gt grandfather James Kippax. |
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| Author: | Leaver [ Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:15 pm ] |
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Gloria, what year was Betty Leaver born, and was she from Briercliffe? |
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| Author: | portia [ Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | betty leaver/ kippax |
Kris The censuses show her as born in Briercliffe, approx 1831. I did find an Elizabeth Leaver on the 1851 census who might fit, but the bmd marriage record shows the one we're looking for as Betty so.. Betty Leaver 41 Elizabeth Leaver 20 Mary Leaver 8 Robert Leaver 15 William Leaver 40 Piece: 2251; Folio: 125; Page: 5 |
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| Author: | Gloria [ Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:57 pm ] |
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Betty Leaver/Kippax is on the gravestone Kippax / Parker Hill Lane, which is on the site, died Dec 12th 1890 aged 60yrs. In the church records she married James Kippax on the 7th Nov 1860, aged 30yrs. It says spinster, of Briercliffe, and her father was William Leaver, quarryman. In 1861 census these three Leavers were with them (amongst his own children) as stepsons Jimmy Leaver 1 John Leaver 9 Willy Leaver 5 They are still with them in 1871 but are down as his nephews. Any ideas???? |
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| Author: | Leaver [ Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:01 pm ] |
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Thanks, I will investigate. |
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| Author: | portia [ Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | betty leaver/kippax |
The 1851 census I mentioned shows the father (William) as a stonecutter. Looks promising. |
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| Author: | Leaver [ Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:42 pm ] |
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This is her family When – 14 May 1859 Where – The Register Office, Burnley Groom – Robert Bannister, 23yrs, Bachelor, Cotton Power Loom Weaver of Holt Hill, Briercliffe Bride – Naney Leaver, 24yrs, Spinster, Cotton Power Loom Weaver of Hollin Grove, Briercliffe Grooms father – William Bannister, Cotton Twister Brides father – William Leaver, Stone Quarrier Witnesses – William Burrows, Mary Banister When – 7 November 1860 Where – Church at Briercliffe Groom – James Kippax, widower, weaver, 42 years of Lane Bottom, Briercliffe Bride – Betty Leaver, spinster, 30 years of Briercliffe Grooms father – Joshua Kippax, weaver Brides father – William Leaver, Quarryman Witnesses – William Bradshaw and Sarah Bradshaw 1851 Census – HO 107 /2251 / 5 Hollen Grove, Briercliffe with Extwistle William Leaver, Head, Mar, 40yrs, Stone Cutter, b. Briercliffe Betty Leaver, Wife, Mar, 41yr, House Work, b. Briercliffe Elizabeth Leaver, Daughter, Unm, 20yrs, House Work, Briercliffe Robert Leaver, Son, Unm, 15yrs, Labourer Stone Quarry, b. Briercliffe Mary Leaver, Daughter, 8yrs, Scholar, b. Briercliffe 1841 Census - HO107; Piece 506; Book: 15; Civil Parish: Whalley; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 26; Folio: 25; Page: 5; Line: 17 Hollin Grove, Briercliffe William LEAVER, 28 years, Ag Lab, b. Lancs Betty LEAVER, 33 years, W, b. Lancs Betty LEAVER, 10 years, b. Lancs Nanny LEAVER, 8 years, b. Lancs Robert LEAVER, 5 years, b. Lancs |
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| Author: | Gloria [ Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:28 pm ] |
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So do we have to presume she had these three children out of wedlock? Do you have anything as regards who the father was? |
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| Author: | portia [ Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | betty leaver/ kippax |
Re Kris's post about the marriages. I haven't managed to track down Nanny Leaver in 1851, but I think this is 1841: Betty Leaver 33 Betty Leaver 10 Nanny Leaver 8 Robert Leaver 5 William Leaver 28 HO107; Piece 506; Book15; Folio: 25; Page: 5 The address is Hollin Grove Of course 1841 doesn't show relationships so we still don't know for certain she was Betty's sister. As far as Betty is concerned, there are a few illegitimate births in the Leaver tree but I can think of only one other where there were 3 to one mother and we're fairly sure we know the reason for that. Very odd! |
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| Author: | portia [ Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | betty leaver/kippax |
Have just noticed that on the 1841 census, also at Hollin Grove, is one James Kippax aged 24. Co-incidence? |
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| Author: | Gloria [ Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:20 pm ] |
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Looks like he lived right next door. As you say "coincidence" . |
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| Author: | Gloria [ Sat Nov 17, 2007 4:01 pm ] |
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Looks like the Kippax and Leaver threads are getting mixed up here BUT, in the Haggate gravestones, Leaver, John died 4th April 1926 in his 75th yr. I presume this is the John son of Betty Leaver aged 9 in the 1861 census. Does anyone have any idea of the father? |
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| Author: | gillyh [ Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | KIPPAX |
Hi I have found a couple of marriages at St Mary Magdelene,Clitheroe for Kippax 1836 Joseph Kippax to Elizabeth Greenwood 1813 Robert Kippax to Mary Neworth Hope these interest someone Gilly |
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| Author: | Gloria [ Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:10 am ] |
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Thanks Gilly, any Kippaxs are interesting, it is surprising how they can sometimes fit in. |
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| Author: | Mel [ Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:19 am ] |
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Didn't Sue on OGFB say to try Clitheroe if you got no joy in Burnley when looking for marriages. I've read it somewhere too. |
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