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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:28 pm 
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I didn’t notice the occupation and now I am convinced!! The marriage will confirm everything!

This is them in 1841

1841 Census - HO 107 / 2253 140
Briercliffe and Extwistle - Extwistle Hall
James Leaver, 35yrs, Game Keeper, born Lancashire
Elizabeth Leaver, 40yrs, born Lancashire
Nancy Leaver, 15yrs, born Lancashire
Thomas Leaver, 13yrs, born Lancashire
James Leaver, 12yrs, born Lancashire
Ann Leaver, 8yrs, born Lancashire
John Leaver, 7yrs, born Lancashire
Robert Leaver, 3 months, born Lancashire


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What a team!

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1891
RG12; Piece: 3371; Folio 158; Page 36
50 Burnley road , Briercliffe
James Levar 31, head, marr, tackler cotton, born Briercliffe
Emma Levar 29, wife, born Briercliffe
Harold Levar 7, son, born Burnley
Walter Levar 4, son, born Burnley
Rennie Shea Levar 1, son, born Briercliffe

1901
RG13; Piece: 3868; Folio: 56; Page: 24
21 Granville St Briercliffe
James Leaver 41,head, marr, cotton powerloom overlooker, born Briercliffe
Emma Leaver 39, wife, marr,
Walter Leaver 14, son, single, weaver, born Burnley
Rennie S Leaver 11, son, born Briercliffe
Ethel M Leaver 6, daur, born Briercliffe
Nellie Leaver 3, daur, born Briercliffe
Flora Leaver 1, daur, born Briercliffe

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1901 census
RG13; Piece: 3868; Folio: 56; Page: 24
21 Granville St Briercliffe
James Leaver 41,head, marr, cotton powerloom overlooker, born Briercliffe
Emma Leaver 39, wife, marr,
Walter Leaver 14, son, single, weaver, born Burnley
Rennie S Leaver 11, son, born Briercliffe
Ethel M Leaver 6, daur, born Briercliffe
Nellie Leaver 3, daur, born Briercliffe
Flora Leaver 1, daur, born Briercliffe


I don’t know who this is, do you?


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In a word, no. It's not on the tree. I just added 1891 (above). Will keep looking. So far the only marriage I'm coming up with is 1883:
LEAVER James
BANNISTER Emma
Burnley Register Office or Registrar Attended
Record at Preston (reg no RM/56/76)

ps - just looked up Emma Bannister 1881 census. Certainly the age is right for her to be the Emma Leaver we're looking at.

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Could it be JAmes, son of Betty Kippax, nee Leaver? (See 1881
RG11; Piece: 4155; Folio: 80; Page: 9) in a bit of a rush or I'd stick it in here.
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Not sure if this is Rennie, the address of the second Will is nearly the same as the 1891 Census

1891
RG12; Piece: 3371; Folio 158; Page 36
50 Burnley road , Briercliffe

1948 – LEVER Rennie of 3 Causeyfoot, Nelson, Lancashire died 1 June 1947 at the Royal Infirmary Blackburn. Administration Lancaster 9 July to Henry Lever, retired company director. Effects £2,353

1960 - LEAVER Rennie Stewart of 52 Burnley Road, Harle Syke near Burnley died 19 July 1960 at West Cornwall Hospital, Penzance. Administration Manchester 17 August to Olga Mary Leaver, widow. Effects £1,087 16s. 3d.


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Ignore what I said (above) about Betty Kippax - her son was John not James. The James on the census was a lodger.
Those wills, Rennie Stewart was a different Rennie S Leaver, approx same age. He's already on your tree (son of James Leaver/ Margaret Jane Heap.)
1901 census, Rennie Stewart shows up as just Rennie. Rennis S on that census is Rennie Shea. Confusing or what?

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It's a woman's prerogative to change her mind. I'm back to thinking the James we're looking for is the son of Betty Leaver who married James Kippax. (There's a thread about this somewhere but I can't find it )
We know Betty had 3 children before she was married. They're all on 1871 with her at Lane Bottom.
RG10; Piece: 4152; Folio: 18; Page: 30
James Kippax 53, head, marr, sizer - cotton mill, born Briercliffe
Betty Kippax 40, wife, marr, Joshua Kippax 19, son, single, weaver
William Kippax 16 , son, single, weaver, born Briercliffe
Barnnster (Banister) Kippax 5, son, scholar, born Briercliffe
John Leaver 19, nephew, single,weaver, born Briercliffe
Willy Leaver 15, nephew, weaver, born Briercliffe
Jimmy Leaver 12, nephew,born Briercliffe

All three Leaver boys are described as nephews. Perhaps it was because they didn't understand the concept of step-relationship.
I'm pretty sure we've identified all the Johns & the Jameses born Briercliffe. So he has to be one of the loose end ones. My money's on Betty's son.

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this is the thread

http://briercliffesociety.co.uk/talkbac ... c&start=45

When – 14 May 1859
Where – The Register Office, Burnley
Groom – Robert Bannister, 23yrs, Bachelor, Cotton Power Loom Weaver of Holt Hill, Briercliffe
Bride – Naney Leaver, 24yrs, Spinster, Cotton Power Loom Weaver of Hollin Grove, Briercliffe
Grooms father – William Bannister, Cotton Twister
Brides father – William Leaver, Stone Quarrier
Witnesses – William Burrows, Mary Banister

When – 7 November 1860
Where – Church at Briercliffe
Groom – James Kippax, widower, weaver, 42 years of Lane Bottom, Briercliffe
Bride – Betty Leaver, spinster, 30 years of Briercliffe
Grooms father – Joshua Kippax, weaver
Brides father – William Leaver, Quarryman
Witnesses – William Bradshaw and Sarah Bradshaw

1851 Census – HO 107 /2251 / 5
Hollen Grove, Briercliffe with Extwistle
William Leaver, Head, Mar, 40yrs, Stone Cutter, b. Briercliffe
Betty Leaver, Wife, Mar, 41yr, House Work, b. Briercliffe
Elizabeth Leaver, Daughter, Unm, 20yrs, House Work, Briercliffe
Robert Leaver, Son, Unm, 15yrs, Labourer Stone Quarry, b. Briercliffe
Mary Leaver, Daughter, 8yrs, Scholar, b. Briercliffe

1841 Census - HO107; Piece 506; Book: 15; Civil Parish: Whalley; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 26; Folio: 25; Page: 5; Line: 17
Hollin Grove, Briercliffe
William LEAVER, 28 years, Ag Lab, b. Lancs
Betty LEAVER, 33 years, W, b. Lancs
Betty LEAVER, 10 years, b. Lancs
Nanny LEAVER, 8 years, b. Lancs
Robert LEAVER, 5 years, b. Lancs


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1881 census
RG11; Piece: 4156; Folio: 10; Page: 18; Line
Bottom O'th Town Farm, Worsthorne cum Hurstwood
John Leaver 47, head, marr, farmer of 104 acres, born Extwistle
Susannah Leaver 44, head, marr, born Worsthorne
William G. Leaver 25 farmer's son,born Worsthorne
James Leaver 23, farmer's son,
Peter Leaver 18, son, unm, assistant schoolmaster, born Worsthorne
Ellen Leaver 16, unm, daur, farmer's daur, born Worsthorne
John Smith Leaver 14 farmer's son,born Worsthorne
Betsy Leaver 12 scholar born Worsthorne
Abraham Leaver 9 farmer's son, born Worsthorne
Mary H. Leaver 7 scholar, born Worsthorne
Harry Leaver 2, born Worsthorne

1891 Census
RG12; Piece: 3372; Folio 35; Page 20
36 Ormerod Street, Worsthorne
John Leaver, Head, 57yrs, Farmer, b. Extwistle
Ellen Leaver, Daughter, Spinster, 26yrs, House Keeper Domestic, b. Worsthorne
John S. Leaver, Son, Single, 24yrs, Butcher, b. Worsthorne
Betsy Leaver, Daughter, Spinster, 22yrs, Cook Domestic, b. Worsthorne
Abraham Leaver, Son, Single, 19yrs, Blacksmith, b. Worsthorne
Mary H. Leaver, Daughter, Spinster, 17yrs, Pupil Teacher Elementary School, b. Worsthorne
Richard Leaver, Son, 15yrs, Land Surveyors Apprentice, b. Worsthorne
Harry Leaver, Son, 12yrs, b. Worsthorne
Richard Leaver 5 born Worsthorne
Margaret F. Leaver 5mths born Worsthorne

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1891 Census - RG12; Piece: 3372; Folio 35; Page 20
36 Ormerod Street, Worsthorne
John Leaver, Head, 57yrs, Farmer, b. Extwistle
Ellen Leaver, Daughter, Spinster, 26yrs, House Keeper Domestic, b. Worsthorne
John S. Leaver, Son, Single, 24yrs, Butcher, b. Worsthorne
Betsy Leaver, Daughter, Spinster, 22yrs, Cook Domestic, b. Worsthorne
Abraham Leaver, Son, Single, 19yrs, Blacksmith, b. Worsthorne
Mary H. Leaver, Daughter, Spinster, 17yrs, Pupil Teacher Elementary School, b. Worsthorne
Richard Leaver, Son, 15yrs, Land Surveyors Apprentice, b. Worsthorne
Harry Leaver, Son, 12yrs, b. Worsthorne


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1901 census
RG13; Piece: 3868; Folio: 56; Page: 24
21 Granville St Briercliffe
James Leaver 41,head, marr, cotton powerloom overlooker, born Briercliffe
Emma Leaver 39, wife, marr,
Walter Leaver 14, son, single, weaver, born Burnley
Rennie S Leaver 11, son, born Briercliffe
Ethel M Leaver 6, daur, born Briercliffe
Nellie Leaver 3, daur, born Briercliffe
Flora Leaver 1, daur, born Briercliffe


I don’t know who this is, do you?


Now I have the marriage certificate I am content that the James in question is the illegitimate son on Betty Kippax (nee Leaver) The name, age and absence of a father's name from the marriage certificate are all consistent with this. I've posted details of the certificate under Marriages

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1861 census - RG9; Piece: 3073; Folio: 87; Page: 23
Lane Bottom
James Smith 46, head, unm, powerloom weaver, born Briercliffe
Thomas Leaver 36, lodger, marr, quarryman, born Briercliffe
Mary Leaver 34 lodger, marr, at home, born Briercliffe

1871 Census - RG10; Piece: 4152; Folio: 28; Page: 11
Holt Hill, Briercliffe
Thomas Lever, Head, Mar, 47yrs, Stone Quarryman, b. Briercliffe
Mary Lever, Wife, Mar, 44yrs, Weaver Cotton, b. Briercliffe

1881 census - RG11; Piece: 4155; Folio: 80; Page: 9
Holt Hill, Briercliffe
Thomas Leaver 56, head, marr, stone quarryman, born Briercliffe
Mary Leaver 54, wife, marr, born Briercliffe
Robert Kippax 70, lodger in the barn, no occupation, born Briercliffe

1891 Census - RG12; Piece: 3371; Folio 143; Page 6
Lane Bottom, ?, Briercliffe
Thomas Leaver, Head, Widow, 67yrs, Retired Quarryman, b. Briercliffe
John Leaver, Brother, Mar, 58yrs, Quarryman, b. Briercliffe

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1871 census
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Holt Hill Briercliffe
William Leaver, head, marr, 50yrs, weaver, born Briercliffe
Mary Leaver, wife, marr, 45 yrs, housekeeper, born Briercliffe
MAry LEaver, daur, 1yr, born Brierlcliffe

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