Thanks for the compliment Gloria. Will have to see whether Kris is aggreable to severing my indenture or whatever it is you do. What about "Research asssitant?"
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| Author: | Leaver [ Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:47 pm ] |
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Portia, there appears to be a new John Leaver who we don’t have info for. I thought he was John Leaver born at Briercliffe circa 1849, son of John Leaver and Nancy Edmondson, but we already have the 1871 Census with John’s name mentioned. Do you have any ideas who he might be? Marriages Dec 1867 HARGREAVES Martha – Burnley, 8e 264 LEAVER John – Burnley, 8e 264 (Briercliffe, St. James) This looks the marriage (Mel, would you be able to look at this again, does it read Martha Hargreaves?) When – 16 November 1867 Where – Church of Briercliffe Groom – John Leaver, Mason, 20yrs of Haggate Bride – ?, weaver, aged ?, of Rake Head, Burnley Lane Grooms father – Lawrence Emmett, Mason Brides father – Christopher ?, tackler Witnesses – Henry Hargreaves and Ann Watson 1871 Census - RG10; Piece: 4148; Folio: 53; Page: 9 Cop Row, Burnley John Leaver, Head, Mar, 20yrs, Stone Mason, b. Briercliffe Martha Leaver, Wife, 20yrs, Cotton Weaver, b. Burnley William Leaver, Son, 3yrs, b. Burnley Betty Leaver, Daughter, 1yr, b. Burnley 1881 Census - RG11; Piece: 4161; Folio: 69; Page: 39 Netherfield Road, Nelson John Lever, Head of family, Married, 33yrs, Stone Mason, b. Haggate Martha Lever, Wife, Married, 31yrs, House wife, b. Burnley William Lever, Son, 13yrs, Scholar, b. Burnley Alfred Lever, Son, 9yrs, Scholar, b. Briercliffe James Henry Lever, Son, 7yrs, Scholar, b. Briercliffe Mary Lever, Daughter, 5yrs, Scholar, b. Briercliffe Lawrence Lever, Son, 3yrs, Scholar, b. Briercliffe Margaret Ann Lever, Daughter, 2yrs, Infant, b. Briercliffe Christopher Lever, Son, 5 months, Infant, b. Nelson 1891 Census - RG12; Piece: 3378; Folio 143; Page 20 87 Netherfield road, Little Marsden, Nelson Martha Leaver, Head, Widow, 41yrs, Char? Woman, b. Burnley William Leaver, Son, 23yrs, General Labourer, b. Burnley Alfred Leaver, Son, 19yrs, Cotton twister, b. Burnley James H. Leaver, Son, 17yrs, Cotton Weaver, b. Burnley Lawrence Leaver, Son, 13yrs, Cotton Weaver, b. Burnley Mary Leaver, Daughter, 14yrs, Cotton Weaver, b. Burnley Margaret A? Leaver, Daughter, 11yrs, Cotton Weaver, b. Burnley Christopher Leaver, Son, 10yrs, Scholar, b. Nelson Sarah E. Leaver, Daughter, 8yrs, Scholar, b. Nelson Walter Leaver, Son, 6yrs, Scholar, b. Nelson 1901 Census - RG13; Piece: 3882; Folio: 96; Page: 6 81 Netherfield Road, Nelson James H. Leaver, Head, Mar, 27yrs, Iron Foundry, b. Nelson Jane Leaver, Wife, Mar, 27yrs, Cotton Weaver, b. Nelson John Leaver, Son, Single, 4yrs, b. Nelson Florrie Leaver, Daughter, 1yrs, b. Nelson Marriages Mar 1896 LEAVER, James Henry – Burnley, 8e 320 THORNTON Jane – Burnley, 8e 320 (Great Marsden, St John the Evangelist) 1901 Census - RG13; Piece: 3882; Folio: 96; Page: 6 87 Netherfield Road, Nelson Martha Leaver, Head, Widow, 51yrs, Cotton Weaver, b. Burnley Wiliam Leaver, Son, Single, 33yrs, Iron Furnace Tenter, b, Burnley Alfred Leaver, Son, Single, 29yrs, Cotton Twister, b. Burnley Mary Leaver, Daughter, Single, 24yrs, Cotton Weaver, b. Burnley Christopher Leaver, Son, 20yrs, Cotton Weaver, b. Nelson Sarah E. Leaver, Daughter, 18yrs, Cotton Weaver, b. Nelson Walter Leaver, Son, 16yrs, Iron ? Foundry, b. Nelson |
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| Author: | Mel [ Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:58 am ] |
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Leaver wrote: This looks the marriage (Mel, would you be able to look at this again, does it read Martha Hargreaves?) When – 16 November 1867 Where – Church of Briercliffe Groom – John Leaver, Mason, 20yrs of Haggate Bride – ?, weaver, aged ?, of Rake Head, Burnley Lane Grooms father – Lawrence Emmett, Mason Brides father – Christopher ?, tackler Witnesses – Henry Hargreaves and Ann Watson Without a trip to Burmley to view the records Kris, I'm afraid not. When I do go, I'll take a look. |
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| Author: | portia [ Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:20 am ] |
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Kris Thisis the marriage from lancashirebmd: 1867 Groom: LEAVER John Bride: HARGREAVES Martha Where: Briercliffe, St James Records at Preston CE114/1/25 I've checked out the births, there's one each in 1850, 1851 and 1852 so it would need the certs to narrow it down. I'll keep pondering who he was. Odd that the father's surname is different.. Mel, is this sufficient evidence to update the info on the church records section? |
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| Author: | portia [ Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:30 am ] |
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There's a marriage on lancashire bmd: 1849 EMMETT Lawrence LEVER Betty Briercliffe, St James Records at Preston CE114/1/100 This is a good candidate for John Leaver's parents. If that's the case, he must have been born before the marriage so none of the births I mentioned above would be the right one |
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| Author: | portia [ Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:56 am ] |
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The Leaver/ Emmett marriage is also in the church records: When: 9 Apr 1849 Where:Church of Briercliffe Groom: Lawrence Emmett, Bachelor, Weaver, Aged Mino of Haggate Briercliffe Bride: Betty Lever, Spinster Weaver, Aged Full of Haggate Briercliffe Groom's father: Hartley Emmett, Weaver Bride's father: John Leaver, Weaver Witnesses: John Simpson, Betty Proctor -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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| Author: | portia [ Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:13 am ] |
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Lawrence Emmett/ Emmott and Betty are on the 1851 census with a 3 year-old son John Emmott: 1851 census Haggate, Briercliffe with Extwistle Hartley Emmott 65 , head, widower, hand loom weaver, born Briercliffe Lawrence Emmott 20, son, marr, labourer - quarry, born Briercliffe Betty Emmott 22, daur-in-law, marr, John Emmott 3, grandson, born Briercliffe Joseph Catlow 43, brother-in-law, widower, ? lab, born Briercliffe Ellen Catlow 31 (21?), niece, single, power loom weaver - cotton, born Briercliffe It looks like he was born before his parent's marriage, then caled by his father's surname, but had to put his birth registration name on his marriage certificate. What does anyone else think? |
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| Author: | portia [ Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:23 am ] |
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Don't know if this is coincidence or not, but John Leaver and Anne Catlow had a daughter Elizabeth, born c1828. There's a couple of Catlows on the 1871 census with Betty Emmott (nee Leaver) - who I think is the mother of the John we're looking for. If I'm right Kris he's one of ours! |
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| Author: | Leaver [ Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:31 pm ] |
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Excellent work Portia!! I think you cracked it!! |
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| Author: | portia [ Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:45 pm ] |
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Ther is a Martha Hargreaves, daughter of Christopher Hargreaves, who would fit the marriage at the beginning of this thread: 1861 census: Higher Rakehead Burnley RG9; Piece: 3068; Folio: 82; Page: 11 Christ Hargraves, 30, head, marr, overloooker of power looms (cotton), born Barrowford Mary Hargraves 31. wife, marr, cotton weaver, born briercliffe Henry Hargraves 12, son, errand boy, born Burnley Martha Hargraves 10, daur, housekeeper & at school, born Burnley William Hargraves 8, son, scholar, born Burnley Sarah Hargraves 5, daur, scholar, born Burnley John Hargraves 2, son, born Burnley |
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| Author: | portia [ Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:02 pm ] |
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I couldn't find the Emmetts in 1861 but it seems Betty probably died in 1857 - there's death on Lancashirebmd 1857 for a woman of the right age. Then there's a marriage of Lawrence Emmett in the Briercliffe Church records in 1857: When: 17 Nov 1857 Where: Church of Briercliffe Groom: Lawrence Emmett, Weaver,, Aged 27 of Haggate, Widower Bride: Margaret Ingham, Weaver, Aged 20 of Scar, Spinster Groom's father: Hartley Emmett, Weaver Bride's father: Daniel Ingham, cooper Witnesses: James Hudson, Ellen Catlow The witness could be the Ellen Catlow on the 1851 census |
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| Author: | portia [ Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:07 pm ] |
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Think I'm on a roll now. 1861 census RG9; Piece: 3073; Folio: 78; Page: 6 Spring House, Briercliffe Lawrence Emmet 30, head, marr, powerloom weaver, born Briercliffe Margret Emmet 22, wife, marr, at home, born Briercliffe John Emmet 14, son, powerloom weaver cotton,born Briercliffe Ann Emmet 2, daur, born Briercliffe Ellen Emmet 5 Mo, daur,born Briercliffe |
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| Author: | Gloria [ Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:30 pm ] |
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Maureen, I think Mel should delete the "apprentice" after all this you have done. |
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| Author: | portia [ Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:35 pm ] |
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Thanks for the compliment Gloria. Will have to see whether Kris is aggreable to severing my indenture or whatever it is you do. What about "Research asssitant?"
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| Author: | Leaver [ Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:45 pm ] |
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Portia, as I stated in the interview this is a three year apprenticeship, I cannot fast track you because Gloria thinks you have learned the trade!!! Briercliffe was not built in a day you know!! 
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| Author: | portia [ Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:50 pm ] |
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Kris I really needed a good laugh today and you just gave me one.
What about grasshopper? (For those of us old enough to remember the tv programme). |
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