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As a family they lived at Haggate until they went off their separate ways. As I say, Stephen was only 11 at the 1891 census an I lose him after that. His father died in about 1897.

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Maureen
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Maureen, how do you know Thomas died in South Africa?

I think the photo is from the 1890's. Is there another Briercliffe in England?

I got the death from an MI - Briercliffe St James on the main BS page. Not sure if there's another Briercliffe - haven't ever come across one and I did a quick google but came up with nothing (didn't try really hard tho).

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Maureen
If you can't fight, wear a big 'at

I also googled Briercliffe and didn’t find anything so maybe this is the only one.

I still think it could be the names of the couple and not the photographer. Where does it say "by" Corrin & Banks?

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Gloria

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here Gloria. http://www.briercliffesociety.co.uk/Pho ... Couple.htm

Take your point, Gloria. It doesn't say "by" anywhere. That said it doesn't usually tho.

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Maureen
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In 1891 there was a family called Banks just around the corner from the Corrins at 19 Southview. Head was director of Briercliffe Mill. A daughter was Susannah age 10. She would certainly have known Stephen Corrin age 11.

Can anyone put a date to the photo? Maybe the huge leg of mutton sleeves of the blouse the lady is wearing could date it?

Did the photos come with any others?

If the photo was early 1900's then Stephen and Susannah would have been in their twenties and may possibly have started up a business together but would only men be involved in photography at this time?

Thinking back to a wonderful series "House of Elliott" some years ago when early photography was part of the series.

1890's
Women's dresses of the 1890's have a stylistic feature that even I can spot, the mutton-leg sleeve. Of course, this style didn't arrive full blown, but developed over the decade. In 1890 and 1891 sleeves were still tight around the arm, but at the top of the shoulder they had a small, vertical, puff. In 1892 the puff expands to envelop the upper sleeve. By 1893 the sleeve expands even more, widest at the shoulder and narrowing to the wrist. In 1895 the the style becomes even wider, and is stiffer. Finally, in 1896 the style reached its peak. In 1897 sleeves were again narrow, with only a slightly puffed top. In 1898 the sleeves were long and tight to the arm, with a round puff high at the shoulder. Unfortunately for our dating efforts, while these puffed sleeves were popular, they were not the only style used, the bishop's sleeve, for example, continued in popularity throughout the decade. Other 1890's features include looser corsets, the use of shirtwaists, and a fullness in front, often from pleats or puffs.
Men in the 1890's were wearing narrower, shorter coats, with sleeves so short that the shirt cuff was often exposed. These tightly fitted coats were worn buttoned all the way up the front. Black was the predominant color for coats and pants, and white shirts prevailed for fancy dress, though there was more variation in the color of work clothes. Collars were short and stiff, with small points. The hanging tie became popular, though bow ties were also still used.
http://www.ajmorris.com/roots/photo/datep18.php


Mel, is there anything on the back of this photo?

The early ones in my collection have fancy script http://www.briercliffesociety.co.uk/Pho ... Studio.htm

But the later ones, probably 1890’s early 1900’s have nothing on the back.
http://www.briercliffesociety.co.uk/Pho ... /Lady6.htm

There is more about David Brooks studio here viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1405&p=7439&hilit=brook#p7439

Nothing at all Kris.

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Mel

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I have looked through the marriages 1890 - 1905 Burnley, for a Corrin and Banks and haven't found one. So perhaps that's my theory up the spout.

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Gloria

I'd be dangerous with a brain.

I have looked through all the photos on the site (I think) to see if I could find one with the same setting, but I couldn't. "IF" it was a Briercliffe photographers, I would have thought we could have found more than one in that setting.

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Gloria

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I'd agree with you there Gloria, it's one I bought on ebay a while back.

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Mel

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Photographers Isle of Man

The Island and especially Douglas, saw a major tourist boom in the late 1870's and 1880's - many non-Manx portrait artists came across but soon found that photography was the most popular with the tourists (most of whom would be mill operatives from the North of England). As would be expected photographers were kept busy during the 10 week season - it would also appear that several non-Manx photographers came across to Douglas purely for the season. Initially (until c.1890) most photographs would be cartes-de-visite which were small approximately 80mm x 40mm portrait views on thick card with the back given over to an impressive engraved advertisement for the photographer; later the larger Cabinet Cards (165 x 110mm) became the norm. Often some indication of a date can be obtained by looking at the address or other information (e.g. reproductions of awards obtained at the numerous exhibitions) on this face. A good selection of such faces is given either on my 'backs' page or in Here Is the News. Post 1900 the slightly smaller postcard format became the norm. Most views would be studio views using a standard backdrop or props (including a tired old donkey!) - thus it is sometimes possible to date photos by comparing these (a task only possible with access to many dated photos e.g. as in Manx Museum).

Cartes-de-visite were introduced in the late 1850's and became very popular by the mid 1860's - they were an economic method of placing up to eight exposures on a single 10 x 8 inch glass plate, made possible by the the invention of the sliding plate holder by André Disdéri. They were also used to illustrate both well known figures and scenery - a role taken over by the postcard at the turn of the century.

From www.isleofman.com/manxnotebook

Just a thought. The Corrins came from the Isle of Man. Perhaps the people on the photo are called Corrin and Banks as Gloria thinks and had their photo taken whilst visiting their relatives there.

Just another idea to add to the list!