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Does anyone know what happenned to this family :-

1881 Census

RG11, Folio 4152, 184 and 185, Page 35 (99)

2 Garstang Street, Habergham Eaves, Lancashire.



Henry CATLOW ... Lodger ... M (69) ... Born in Burnley, Lancashire, England ... Weaver

Elizabeth Ann GIBSON ... Boarder ... W (36)... Born in Burnley, Lancashire, England ... Weaver

John CATLOW ... Head (44)... Born in Burnley, Lancashire, England ... Weaver (C)

Grace CATLOW ... Wife ... M ... (30) ... Born in Burnley, Lancashire, England ... Weaver (C)

Martha PROCTER ... Daur.... U ... (12) ... Burnley, Lancashire, England ... Weaver




Grace Procter was my Great Great Grandmother and Martha is my Grandmothers sister.

I have drawn a blank on them in the 1891 census

Bryan

Hi Bryan, welcome to the site.

This is the closest match I can find in 1891 and, going off the info provided above, I am inclined to think it is the right Grace.

1891
RG12/3367 folio 120 pg 17
2 Whittaker Street, Habergham Eaves

John Catlow Head M 54 Cotton weaver b. Burnley
Grace Proctor Boarder S 40 cotton weaver b.Burnley
? Proctor Boarder S 20 Cotton weaver b.Burnley
Florence Procter Dau S 5 b.Burnley
Ann ?croft Servant S 26 Domestic servant b. Askill
Mary A ?croft Daur S 8m b.Burnley

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Mel

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Thanks Mel, looks good to me also

Bryan

No problem Bryan. Grace was indexed as Pradder!

Doesn't it make you wonder what the enumerator was told or why they were told such differing information.

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Mel,
Where did you get the info from.
I have looked on Ancestry.com and it won't find it.

Bryan

It was ancestry.co.uk. I always use the old search method, do not like the new at all.
I went straight to the 1891 search page and put Grace in for the first name. Selected Lancashire from the 'county' dropdown list. 1851 +/-2 for the birth year and hit search. 346 results and Grace Prader is on the 3rd page of the results (if you view 50 per page)

Grace Prader abt 1851 Burnley, Lancashire, England Boarder Habergham Eaves, Lancashire

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Mel,

Found them (under Padder)

It all fits nicely, the 3rd name down is Sophia Proctor, My Great Grandmother (just before she married William Ashton)
this is a link to my page and as you see all looking good.

http://www.bhashton.com/graceprocterfamily.htm

I do know that one of the family went to America, not sure which one but thats next.

Thanks again

Bryan

Illegitimate children were quite taboo in years gone by weren't they.

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i found these on the Ellis Island site, they may be worth a closer look.

Name Town of origin year age
1. Barbara Proctor Burnley, England 1911 42
2. Charlotte Ellen Proctor Burnley, England 1912 52
3. Evelyne Proctor Burnley, England 1919 18
4. Florrie Proctor Burnley, England 1913 26
5. Harold Proctor Burnley, England 1910 23
6. Henry Proctor Burnley 1893 29
7. Herbert Proctor Burnley, Emgland 1914 18
8. Herbert Proctor Burnley, England 1911 5
9. James Proctor Burnley, England 1912 52
10. Jessie Proctor Burnley, England 1920 36
11. Margaret Alice Proctor Burnley, England 1919 52

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Gloria

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Hello Gloria,
I got an email off Sue last year regarding Wade Procter.

I quote :-

Bryan , contact Gloria on oneguyfrom barlick. Why not register it is free. Anyway she says Wade Senior was living with her family in 1861 census
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Sue, your Wade Proctor (1795) in 1861 census is living with the brother and family of my 3xgt grandfather !!!!! he is down as father-in-law.


Gloria

Wade was my 4th Great Grandfather :- http://www.bhashton.com/wadeprocterfamily.htm

You must be one of the "Nutters" then ??

I actually found a Wade Procter on Facebook, I wrote to him and he answered once and that was it, but I may pester him some more

Thanks for the Ellis island stuff.

Bryan

Gloria is definitely a nutter

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I am one of the Kippaxs although I do have Nutters that come in through the Brierleys.
1861 Briercliffe, Wade is father-in-law, so obviously Alice's father, it would appear James was born out of wedlock and kept her maiden name.
William Kippax 23
Alice Kippax 25
James Proctor 4
Mary Kippax 8 Mo
Wade Proctor 66
Living at Haggate.

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Gloria

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Bryan, I have just looked at your tree.
William Kippax's father John was the brother of James my 3Xgt grandfather. I had thought it was William himself, so I am wrong there.
John and James' parents were Joshua and Sarah/Sally (Jackson) Kippax. You can see my Kippax tree on the home page of this site.

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Gloria

I'd be dangerous with a brain.